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Jester6

The debate over the existence of Moderate Muslims is purely an academic exercise. Moderates Muslims are not relevant. The Nazis came to power with 2.5% of the German population. With compulsory membership for government workers they only reached 11% of the German population. You don't need anything near a majority to hijack the machinery of state.

Everyone thinks there were more Nazis because all film propaganda from that era showed marching SA and SS. The moderates were being moderate, they acquiesced.

More examples and citations here:

Jester6: Millions of Moderate Muslims Exist - So What?

Mini Me

Jester6,

I disagree with your claim that it does't matter whether or not moderate Muslims exist. Assuming they exist and that they are simply afraid or unable to manifest their voice, I think they are very crucial....Considering how things have gone so far with Iran I think military action will most likely be neccessary. If eventually a war similar to Iraq occurs in Iran, if we know that many Muslim moderates exist, it shows that the chance of a democratic government or at least a peaceful government working in Iran is much greater than if all of the Muslims in Iran were radicals. (BTW the current Iranian government is run by radical Muslims, and we see what that has produced)

Solid Surfer

Jester6,
Thanks for writing. I agree with you fully that moderates are irrelevant if the radicals take everything over, such as in Nazi Germany. But nevertheless, it's still better to have moderates than to not have them at all, and the fact that they do indeed exist at least gives us the opportunity to try and empower them in places like Iran before we have to result to all-out war.

The only problem, of course, is that time is running out on the moderates, as one way or another, we need to stop Iran before it develops nuclear weapons. But while we still have this time, I'm very happy at any step forward by moderates, no matter how small.

Verdant

Hi Surfer,

Moderate Muslims exist and are important. However, in the short run, their voice is being supersceded by the anger and the hate of the fascist Imams who wish to maintain political power. Hate is always louder than peaceful rhetoric, and facilitates the projection of feelings of inferiority into the racial or religeous dehumanization and demonization of others.

We must raise the taxes on gasoline, require increased fuel economy, subsidize the production of alternative fuels for set periods of time and build more nuclear power plants in order to wean ourselves off of our oil dependence.

Our trade deficit is a symptom of our low savings rate. The problem the imbalance produces is that it is possible that forigners may someday find dollar returns to be inadequate, and mat at that time sell their investments and convert their dollars into foreign currencies. This will reduce the value of the dollar markedly, increase or prices of imported goods, increase inflation, increase U.S. interest rates and likely cause a recession. Moreover, direct investments in the U.S. are offset by our overseas investments; foreigners primarilly purchase U.S. securities with the profits they make from the imports U.S. residents purchase. U.S. citizens are not as likely to sell dollars and purchase foreign currencies, so, to that extent we are losing control of our economy to some degree by virtue of foreigners' purchase of our securities. The point addressed in the Boudreaux are valid, however, the U.S. budget defecit is the most important issue we face. It is caused by overspending. That we can control.

Solid Surfer

I agree - government spending needs to go down. The problem right now is that so much is being spent on entitlements (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security) that the current system is highly unsustainable.

Solving it is a tough dilemma, but I think privatizing Social Security is the best option. Without doing so, the only other real solution is to raise the retirement age, which many people don't want to do. Although raising the retirement age is probably better than raising Social Security taxes, which wouldn't work in the long run.

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